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Reposted (oops) as I mucked up some of the type="check" bits.

[Poll #1170818]

Date: 2008-04-14 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
I'm not anti-Scientology per se - people are free to believe whatever nonsense they want, after all. But I think the Church of Scientology preys on the vulnerable.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Yes, absolutely. Could be said of all religions, up to a point, though, couldn't it?

I'm trying to phrase the following in a way that doesn't sound callous, but failing, so maybe it is just callous, but I can't help feeling it a bit nevertheless: but aren't the sort of people that are going to fall for Scientology going to fall for something even if we put a stop (however that might be done) to Scientology?

I guess it can be said for demos against it that they do at least stop it presenting itself as legitimate or cuddly.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drplokta
Gordon's goose is probably cooked, but that doesn't mean that Labour is stuffed. If they ditch Gordon this autumn, they have a year and a half to run in a new PM (Milliband?) before the latest possible election date.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
I never thought I'd find myself welcome a Lib/Lab pact, but in fact it might be the best thing that could happen. The Tories getting back in would be utterly disastrous, what with a struggling economy and some tough foreign policy decisions to be made. And they'd trash the state education system again - they always do.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Hmm, maybe, but I don't know if the electorate would wear a self-obsessed Labour party fighting within itself when they've got the still-shiny David C waiting to be given a chance.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaruar.livejournal.com
if i was labour i'd be desperately trying to lose the next election in order to blame the tories for the mismanagement of the crash in the economy, let them look like the bad guys and then come back guns blazing when the slump is over and we are back on the rise again in 8ish years.
if they are really clever they can ruin the countries infrastructure like the tories did when they destroyed the railways as a stich up when they knew they were losing.

Date: 2008-04-14 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
you mean they are cooking an unstuffed goose :)
Which Milliband by the way?

Date: 2008-04-14 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-siobhan.livejournal.com
A friend of mine knows someone who claims to have copped off with Mr Davies (I really like him on even if he does have an air of 'omg, I've made it to the today programme, I can't quite believe it' about him) and he has more piercings than just a prince albert apparently.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Oo, really? I know he has both nipples pierced, but that's nothing, really. I'm intrigued now, though...

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sushidog.livejournal.com
It is in the nature of a true democracy that ballots should be secret, and therefore I'm not telling you who I'm voting for, ha ha!

I don't know who Evan Davis is, but I also don't listen to the radio in the mornings, so I can't answer that question.

Scientologists are, in themselves, rather silly, but they're also a fairly unpleasant bunch, who use blackmail and all sorts of other dodgy tactics to get their way, which is a bit horrible really. And they do, as Karen says, prey on the weak and the stupid and the vulnerable, and not, before you say it, in a good way.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moral-vacuum.livejournal.com
Evan Davis was until recently the BBC's economics correspondent. A friend of mine (who fancied him) used to refer to him as "the news pixie". Openly gay, there is much speculation about how much metalwork he has in various parts of his body. He's also smarter than he sounds.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Evan D is the new boy on the Today programme on R4 in the mornings. He's the former economics editor and is gay and has piercings and is generally a thoroughly good chap and a bit different from all the others.

Yeah, there's no doubting the Scientologists are a thoroughly nasty bunch, but that's fairly widely recognised, isn't it, at least in this country (LA's a different matter, but that's LA)? I just can't help thinking that there are more dangerous and more threatening groups that need squashing. But I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if someone can show me that they're worth it.

I'm a little bit sceptical about the anti-Scientology thing as being little more than an alternative scene fad, too, I'm afraid.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fjm.livejournal.com
Did you know [livejournal.com profile] chilperic received a threatening letter from the Scientologists for daring to write that it was an sf-nal religion?

Date: 2008-04-14 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Really? Good grief! Okay, maybe they are a pretty scary bunch.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pisica.livejournal.com
Oh yes, that election for that city Down South that sometimes makes policies we can't disagree with 'cause we're not independent yet. Dammit, why not? I want a Scottish passport, when the time comes.

And given that Boris couldn't even win the position of rector at Edinburgh University, I don't think much of his chances for mayor....

Date: 2008-04-14 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
It's hard to call, but I think people might vote for him just for the comedy value. But the thing is, he'll be funnier if he doesn't have to be London mayor and actually serious.

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Date: 2008-04-14 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
If one could join the CoS at the level where one gets to swan around on big yachts wearing WW2 US Navy officers' uniforms and extorting money from people left, right and centre (something like joining the left-footers as a Cardinal) I'd be all for it. As it is you have to work your way up through the ranks being fleeced and indoctrinated which sounds rather boring.

So they're contemptible. But only 'cos they won't let me join in the bullying, extortion (and big yachts and US Navy officers' uniforms).

Date: 2008-04-14 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
At least the LibDems aren't running Susan Kramer again. She and Chris Who? are two of the people who really put me off that party.

Date: 2008-04-14 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
I think it's a shame that Paddick is going precisely nowhere in this campaign. I've actually got time for the man. Not a hope in hell, though.

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Date: 2008-04-14 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kixie.livejournal.com
I'm anti-Scientology only 'cos it's a rather nasty and sinister cult and I'm, as a rule, anti-cult - it's not about whether they want to believe in giant space aliens setting off bombs or thetans or whatever - fair enough, believe a giant hedgehog called Marvin if that's your thang - it's the fact that outspoken critics keep turning up dead in strange circumstances; it's the conspiracies, encouraging people to break away from their families, the fact you have to 'pay' for spiritual enlightenment and - well, the fact that's it's a cult. A dangerous one that's lead to the death of people and deters people from getting psychiatric help if it's needed and also, their insane claims of being able to cure drug addiction in a week and stuff like that - just NO. There's also that infiltrating the US government, stalking people who've left the 'church', etcetera. They're actually quite nasty little bastards and I don't think belief has anything to do with what they do.

Date: 2008-04-14 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaruar.livejournal.com
I think people would be better off campaigning against groups like Opus Dei though, but that's not so geeky and a whole exponential level more dangerous as they are the people who control our governments. I give it 2 years before Blair announces he's one of the flagallaters.

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Date: 2008-04-14 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nils.livejournal.com
For whom will you vote in the mayoral election / for whom would you vote if you could?

Of course, with two votes, you could have done two poll questions... ;-)

Date: 2008-04-14 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Never a frown with Gordon Brown

Great. Now I have a NuLab version of California Uber Alles in my head.

Date: 2008-04-14 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-gardener.livejournal.com
Works better with The Stranglers' "Golden Brown", surely?

Date: 2008-04-14 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
the trouble is I don't like any of the candidates this time. And even the difference in policy is minor (bendy buses or not bendy buses, hardly earth shattering stuff) or in the case of the Lib Dem guy privatise London underground (i heard him being interviewed and was very unimpressed).

Date: 2008-04-14 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girfan.livejournal.com
The only thing I agree with Boris on is bringing back the Routemasters. Other than that, I think he's an idiot who will put London 20 steps back. Charlie Brooker has the right idea (as in today's Guardian).


I'm sure all the Daily Mail readers will vote for him (simply for using the word "picaninny"), and wonder about those who vote because he has floppy hair or went to public schools.

Date: 2008-04-14 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
I wouldn't dream of voting as to do so would be to legitimise your spurious so-called democracy in which I wish to take no part.

You made a poll option just for me! I'm touched.

Date: 2008-04-14 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
I thought you might like that one.

Date: 2008-04-14 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
I think GB is in trouble, but I don't think the tories will walk the next election. They might, but not if things stay as they are now.

I would vote for Boris, even though deep down I doubt he would be a good Mayor. But he has the huge inbuilt advantages that

a) he isnt Ken
b) he doenst have an insane scheme to apply the congestion charge to all of London
c) he has a sense of humour.
d) not to mention, he isn't Ken.

Ken will of course win it again, against all logic and sense, but there you go. One day he'll die of some bizare infection he catches from a Newt and London politics can return to the real world.

Date: 2008-04-14 08:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reddragdiva
Speaking as someone who's had Scientology-baiting as a hobby for the past twelve years - they are vile and murderous scum, but not in fact important. They're small and getting smaller. The main reason to battle Scientology is to discourage others thinking of taking things that far. Thus, amusing new memetic assaults like the Anonymous protests are definitely just the thing.

Date: 2008-04-15 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeric.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable. They're really not nice people at all, and I can totally see why people are keen on stopping them.

Incidentally, this wasn't remotely intended as a dig at you, and I hope it didn't come across that way.

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